Comments on: Don't Fall For These Personal Development Scams http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/ Exploring consciousness, lucid dreams, and mind enhancement Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:57:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kris - RealityShifter http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-395 Kris - RealityShifter Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:23:58 +0000 http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/#comment-395 Wow, Joe, that sounds awful! It definitely sounds like a cult. I'm surprised the leader admits it. Usually a leader and the members will call their group a "community" or use some other more benign term to describe it even when it's really a cult. The seminar and recruiting method you described sound like an extreme version of the old Avatar program that was started by Harry Palmer in the 1980s. From what I've read about it, they followed a similar process -- an expensive seminar with a controlled environment, a bit of brainwashing, and extreme pressure to recruit more members (who would in turn pay thousands of dollars for the same seminar). It sounds a lot like Scientology too. It seems like that's the standard process for cults now. It's sad that so many people are susceptible to it. I guess they're trying to fill a void in their life and they get sucked in by all the fancy marketing and the peer pressure. ~ Kris Wow, Joe, that sounds awful! It definitely sounds like a cult. I'm surprised the leader admits it. Usually a leader and the members will call their group a "community" or use some other more benign term to describe it even when it's really a cult.

The seminar and recruiting method you described sound like an extreme version of the old Avatar program that was started by Harry Palmer in the 1980s. From what I've read about it, they followed a similar process -- an expensive seminar with a controlled environment, a bit of brainwashing, and extreme pressure to recruit more members (who would in turn pay thousands of dollars for the same seminar). It sounds a lot like Scientology too.

It seems like that's the standard process for cults now. It's sad that so many people are susceptible to it. I guess they're trying to fill a void in their life and they get sucked in by all the fancy marketing and the peer pressure.

~ Kris

]]> By: JOE http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-394 JOE Wed, 20 Apr 2011 04:38:53 +0000 http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/#comment-394 Quantum physics and Quantum mechanics, spiritual beings who descended the celestial planes to earth for an earthly experience, Pertubation= Quantum collapse= Equilibration +, Beta Balancing, Yes pay $$$$$ for all this and you too can GET IT! What a load of Bull s**t! People in Australia are paying through the nose to get this garbage imprinted in their minds during a Friday to Sunday evening, intense seminar involving locked doors, controlled atmosphere, no toilet breaks, no food, no drinks, no speaking without permission, sit here, do this, shut up, and aggressive abusive verbal attacks by the leader of the seminar and his elite crew till they crumple and are ready to submit their minds, memories, and wills to his leadership. He will then F with your memories, emotions, beliefs till you bend to what he says is reality. He openly declares he is a former drug addict drug dealer who has been incarcerated in prison. He tells brainwashed devotees that his MJB seminars is a cult and he is their leader, (but dont tell anyone else that). Go out into the world now and be a lightbearer for humanity and give this wonderful gift to others by inviting them to your Graduation evening. But dont let them know the truth about what happens or what you have been taught. Just keep smiling and saying it is wonderful, you have to go to know what it is about. Then the team of helpers can pressure them to sign up for a seminar $$$$$$$$$$ Quantum physics and Quantum mechanics, spiritual beings who descended the celestial planes to earth for an earthly experience,
Pertubation= Quantum collapse= Equilibration +, Beta Balancing, Yes pay $$$$$ for all this and you too can GET IT!
What a load of Bull s**t!
People in Australia are paying through the nose to get this garbage imprinted in their minds during a Friday to Sunday evening, intense seminar involving locked doors, controlled atmosphere, no toilet breaks, no food, no drinks, no speaking without permission, sit here, do this, shut up, and aggressive abusive verbal attacks by the leader of the seminar and his elite crew till they crumple and are ready to submit their minds, memories, and wills to his leadership.
He will then F with your memories, emotions, beliefs till you bend to what he says is reality.
He openly declares he is a former drug addict drug dealer who has been incarcerated in prison.
He tells brainwashed devotees that his MJB seminars is a cult and he is their leader, (but dont tell anyone else that).
Go out into the world now and be a lightbearer for humanity and give this wonderful gift to others by inviting them to your Graduation evening.
But dont let them know the truth about what happens or what you have been taught.
Just keep smiling and saying it is wonderful, you have to go to know what it is about.
Then the team of helpers can pressure them to sign up for a seminar $$$$$$$$$$

]]> By: Robert http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-393 Robert Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:26:26 +0000 http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/#comment-393 I've been using brain entrainment for over 5 years, It is true that most of it is a scam. I've seen enough of that. Lets not forget one person BS is another persons miracle. So, just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean you have to dismiss it for everyone else. Yet when you do find something that works, you do notice a difference. Such as better memory, hightend awarness and a better out look on life. An open mind can change your life, but it can also lead you too a lot of dead ends. Robert :) I've been using brain entrainment for over 5 years, It is true that most of it is a scam. I've seen enough of that. Lets not forget one person BS is another persons miracle. So, just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean you have to dismiss it for everyone else. Yet when you do find something that works, you do notice a difference. Such as better memory, hightend awarness and a better out look on life.
An open mind can change your life, but it can also lead you too a lot of dead ends.

Robert :)

]]> By: RealityShifter http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-391 RealityShifter Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:34:12 +0000 http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/#comment-391 Hi Dennis, I agree, there are definitely some good companies out there. That's one of the things I mentioned in this post that I find so frustrating. The bad companies end up making the good companies look bad too, and then the good companies have to work extra hard to overcome the unjustified bias people have against them. My company develops brainwave technology and I know for certain it's effective. I've seen it work for thousands of people to help with everything from ADD to stress/anxiety to post-surgical recovery. We have EEG readings and data from research studies to go along with the huge amount of subjective evidence. But, even with all the evidence and even though our company is considered one of the most reputable in the industry, we still have to work extra hard to prove the value of our technology, and that's partly due to people like the one I described in this post who used Photoshop to make a fake certificate giving him the title "Certified Brainwave Entrainment Specialist". ~ Kris Hi Dennis,
I agree, there are definitely some good companies out there. That's one of the things I mentioned in this post that I find so frustrating. The bad companies end up making the good companies look bad too, and then the good companies have to work extra hard to overcome the unjustified bias people have against them.

My company develops brainwave technology and I know for certain it's effective. I've seen it work for thousands of people to help with everything from ADD to stress/anxiety to post-surgical recovery. We have EEG readings and data from research studies to go along with the huge amount of subjective evidence. But, even with all the evidence and even though our company is considered one of the most reputable in the industry, we still have to work extra hard to prove the value of our technology, and that's partly due to people like the one I described in this post who used Photoshop to make a fake certificate giving him the title "Certified Brainwave Entrainment Specialist".

~ Kris

]]> By: Dennis http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-390 Dennis Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:02:28 +0000 http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/#comment-390 I appreciate your investigating some of these companies. Yes, there are many that make claims, which are undocumented by scientific research and do not stand up to scientific scrutiny. There are, however, some companies that are legitimate, so these other companies muddy the waters, so to speak. I have used the Silva System since 1971. It works, it is replicable, teachable and has undergone much scrutiny from scientific and medical communities. Just like acupuncture, which not long ago was considered a form of voodoo is now an accepted method of practice in the medical community. I have seen brain entrainment work for individuals who have A.D.D. and A.D.H.D. Yes, not all companies are reputable, but I know that reputable systems do exist in the alternative fields. Don't throw all alternative systems into the same category. I do, however, appreciate people posting honest, well researched criticism. I appreciate your investigating some of these companies. Yes, there are many that make claims, which are undocumented by scientific research and do not stand up to scientific scrutiny. There are, however, some companies that are legitimate, so these other companies muddy the waters, so to speak. I have used the Silva System since 1971. It works, it is replicable, teachable and has undergone much scrutiny from scientific and medical communities. Just like acupuncture, which not long ago was considered a form of voodoo is now an accepted method of practice in the medical community. I have seen brain entrainment work for individuals who have A.D.D. and A.D.H.D. Yes, not all companies are reputable, but I know that reputable systems do exist in the alternative fields. Don't throw all alternative systems into the same category. I do, however, appreciate people posting honest, well researched criticism.

]]> By: Joe http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-389 Joe Tue, 11 May 2010 02:33:04 +0000 http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/#comment-389 Thanks for the very informative information. Unfortunately you are correct about these scam companies selling of crap to people. I found one company that claimed they had true isochronic beats but when I went to download the product it was only about 6 megabytes for the 30 minute recording. Now all the other ones I have are closer to 60 megabytes for 30 minutes. That is always a great way to tell how the recording was done because if it is very small amount of space then it was not recorded correctly. Well thanks again and I look forward to reading more of your articles in the near future Thanks for the very informative information. Unfortunately you are correct about these scam companies selling of crap to people. I found one company that claimed they had true isochronic beats but when I went to download the product it was only about 6 megabytes for the 30 minute recording.

Now all the other ones I have are closer to 60 megabytes for 30 minutes. That is always a great way to tell how the recording was done because if it is very small amount of space then it was not recorded correctly.

Well thanks again and I look forward to reading more of your articles in the near future

]]> By: Andy Hughes http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-388 Andy Hughes Mon, 03 May 2010 17:12:43 +0000 http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/#comment-388 It's all common sense at the end of the day; if these things really did work, everyone would be using them. Next time you're tempted to buy something like this; ask yourself, is it as big as Coca-Cola? If not, it doesn't work. It's all common sense at the end of the day; if these things really did work, everyone would be using them.

Next time you're tempted to buy something like this; ask yourself, is it as big as Coca-Cola? If not, it doesn't work.

]]> By: keo http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-387 keo Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:52:03 +0000 http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/#comment-387 Great post m8, looking forward to more posts like this, so i bookmarked you ;) Great post m8, looking forward to more posts like this, so i bookmarked you ;)

]]> By: Ryan http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-386 Ryan Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:11:45 +0000 http://www.realityshifter.com/2007/dont-fall-for-these-personal-development-scams/#comment-386 the internet is great for passing along brilliant info that is out of the mainstream paradigm but equally as great for selling snake oil. thanks for the heads up. the internet is great for passing along brilliant info that is out of the mainstream paradigm but equally as great for selling snake oil. thanks for the heads up.

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